125/150/175/200 bike?

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Nhuskys
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:59 pm

So is there any realistic chance for a small capacity enduro bike? One with a dedicated frame and engine? I just love small bores.... I can't lie! :mrgreen:
Texas Guy
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:23 am

No clue but I would think that a long term plan would be to have a small bore. I bet the next bike would be a 4 stroke though.
lom
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:40 am

I really hope so! Finally had the chance to ride some small boxes (125 and 200). Anything between 150-200 would be awesome!
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Clay
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:20 am

When I was in Spain Piber showed me a pic of a 125 engine and asked if I could sell a 125. I told him sales of 125s were pretty slow here in the US but that I could sell quite a few e-start 175/200s. He said he'd get to work on it.
tm_enduro
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:44 pm

I have ridden and raced everything from 125s to 500+ 4T in enduro / hs in A / AA class, and I can tell you that most people underestimate a 125. A well tuned 125 is an amazing tool in the woods, but not so fun in the dessert / sand. When I was racing, I weighed up to 190 lbs, and had friends pushing 250 lbs on 125 / 144 / 167s.

Over the years, many folks rode my 125s and ended up buying one. The key is always bike set up, and riding smart. How do you sell 125s? Demo them.

In my opinion, if you want a 175 / 200, just get a 250 or 300 and detune it with ignition curve tweaks. The weight difference really isn't that big.

I am of the impression that the Japanese basically perfected the bore / stroke ratio and piston weight in the '90s for 125cc and 250cc 2T engines and the carburetors are designed to work best with reed tension and the crank / port volumes as well. The other sizes have not been optimized as well. That said, the Europeans are doing good work with electronic powervalves and are upping the game for 2T engines.
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Nhuskys
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:23 pm

I've race everything from a Husky 125 to 430. I always gravitate back to 125 and 144's. I won my only District Enduro Championship on a '15 Husky TE125. I don't like 200's all that well, too much like a 250..... and that's after racing enduros two seasons on a KTM 200. My first e-start 2T was a '12 Husaberg TE250. I'd been riding Italian Husky WR125/144/165 bikes, but really wanted the button. It was a mistake for me though. You could make it any power delivery you wanted with various PV springs and dolly adjustments, but too much engine mass for my liking. I was so glad to get on that '15 125!
On big bores..... after an '82 Husky 250WR, I went to an '87 430WR. it was a huge mistake for me, as I felt like the bike was riding me. Every time I ride a 300, I feel the same way.

My '18 Husky TE150 is just about the perfect bike for me, though I really liked the Sherco 125 Clay loaned me. If I hadn't bought the Husky that fall, I'd probably be riding the Sherco 125.
I vote for 125/150 options
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Clay
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:13 pm

Yall harder to please than my wife! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Nhuskys
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:48 pm

I'm easy, but after all these years...... I know what i like! ;)
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:47 am

Can we meet somewhere in the middle? 165ish it is 😂
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Coach
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Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:03 pm

Yea 125's are great in the tight stuff but for the gnarly HArd Enduro we ride it just cant cut the mustard. 150's for the lighter guys are ok, but a 200cc would be a great idea. Not you'd sell a million just know the 15 around here is a LOT mire limiting. Open single track and open courses fun as hell tho.
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